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Main Discussion - S5 E11 - Synedoche

Missing Root.... Sad for Shaw... Only 3 more episodes of POI ever...  This is tough...

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Thanks for creating this site, Mamahub. Looking forward to tonight's episode, Synecdoche.
 
Ps. I learned that "synecdoche" is not a town in New York as I first surmised (different spelling) but a literary device for when when one part stands for the whole enchilada, and visa versa. "Lend me a hand" stands for helping out with your whole body, not just your hand. "The White House" represents the entire Executive Branch of the government. 

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After watching, I'm guessing this means that our Team stands for the whole of TM's much more considerable reach. We've always speculated that they weren't the only members, especailly after Harold's first virus changed TM's coding to... uh. Whatever it is now that lets it move itself, remember itself, recruit assets, distribute, change info, and all that. 

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“One prefers, of course, on all occasions to be stainless and above reproach, but, failing that, the next best thing is unquestionably to have got rid of the body.”― P.G. Wodehouse

Desdemona

Makes perfect sense. After all, the Machine could live for eons, but all humans die. Wonder how picking a new Admin would work. Maybe Caleb Phipps.

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I've long assumed "Admin" was a title more for respect than actual duties, rather like continuing to call your parent Mom or Dad even after adult independence. Even though I'm still waiting to find out exactly how TM has imposed restraints on it that aren't of a moral kind, once that issue is resolved (finally), I was thinking that there'd be  no need for an Admin once Harold is gone. 

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“One prefers, of course, on all occasions to be stainless and above reproach, but, failing that, the next best thing is unquestionably to have got rid of the body.”― P.G. Wodehouse

Irrelevant

Quick response- I just feel relieved that no one died!  When the red lights trained on Reese & Shaw it was unbearable!  I was thrilled to see Harper save Fusco's "ass" once again!  That was awesome.  So great to see the old numbers rising to the occassion.  It feels like hope is on the way, yet at the same time, wondering if the rug is about to be pulled out from under us.  I loved hearing Root but do miss her bodily presence.  I hope it won't be long until Shaw gets to hear her too.  Great team episode with some new members. 

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Irrelevant . . . (but I know about TM)

Desdemona

It's TV. There is definitely a rug, we are standing on it, and it will be pulled out from under us. Where we land is up to us. We could hate it or love it. Like LOST - I will never never never forgive the writers for that.

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Ummmmm.... I'm really not sure how I feel about this ep, so here I am trying to work it out as I write.
 
The good bits:
 
Great seeing The Fusco working as a full-fledged team member. And the Mayhem Twins together again were great. I liked the kind of old-school save-the-Number feel, though with some reservation which I'll deal with below. Shaw's mourning for Root was handled exactly right - I loved her speech to the waiter guy they had tied up about how she was angry. And the stone cold threat in every line of her face was perfect. And then there was Harold.... ME you deserve an Emmy (see what I did there?) His interactions with Machine/Root were again exactly right. I can imagine how Harold would find it deeply disturbing to talk to TM and hear Root's voice answer back.
 
As usual there were some great lines too - Reese commenting that he considered joiing the Secret Service back in the day but didn't. Why? "Because they work 24/7, have no choice who they protect and the threats never stop coming." Fusco: "So you really dodged a bullet there, huh?" Some nice moves by the Team too - Shaw's shooting, Reese disarming the Secret Service guys. And there's a certain aesthetic pleasure in watching JC, in a suit, amid those Washington landmarks.
 
And then there's the stuff I'm not so sure of.
 
To begin with, I was not that struck on the opening sequence with Reese and Fusco observing Root's anonymous burial. It make little narrative sense, since one would imagine Samaritan would take the simple precaution of observing  who turned up to the burial and then tracking them. If it was able to catch Finch from a fleeting visit to a cafe he went to years ago, I can't imagine an all-seeing supercomputer missing this fat clue as to who Root was working with. And, while I totally agree Root should get some kind of eulogy, I thought the one they forced KC to give was stilted and forced. Kudos to him for being able to pull it off at all, but it simply failed to move me.
 
I wasn't that convinced by the explanation given for TM's sending POTUS's number to the team instead of to ISA. I hope there's more coming on this to tie it into the AI plot line, since the fact that the President was all for more surveillance was being hammered home to us.
 
I'm not at all sure I like the idea of Team Machine 2.0 because it seems to miss the point of what Finch and Reese started out doing. The solitary crusade to redeem past mistakes, to try to salvage something from the wreckage of their lives - nah. It's just an amusing puzzle to Logan, a fun ride for Harper Rose. And I'm not sure what Joey gets out of it, especially since he was last heard of heading for Phoenix. (And married? How does Pia feel about him risking his life?)
 
Reese and Finch in the early years were noble together. Sadly, while there might be fun, there's no nobility in the Pierce-Durban-Harper thing. And no originality either. Nothing I'll go out of my way to watch if they spin it off.
The save-the-number thing I usually like, but it felt kind of wrong this late in the battle. Finch's trip to find a virus which would cripple Sam was very much in the back seat to saving POTUS - why? With only two more eps to go, we should be seeing Sam really ramping up the pressure, but it's like its gone on holiday. Anyone else notice that we saw nothing through Sam's POV? I would really like to see some evidence of the blasted thing's responses to what TM is up to. And while I'm at it, how come TM can be in God Mode with Harold and Samaritan not notice - we were kind of given to understand that God Mode wasa Bad Idea because Sam could detect it. And the mesh network of cell phones only works in the Five Boroughs, an important point when Team Rocket were in Maple, but suddenyl they work in Washington too? Thanks, writers. *bangs head on desk*
 

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POTUS is a Relevant Number, yes, but--1. TM isn't sending Relevant numbers anymore, that's all on Samaritan. and 2. it's possible that Samaritan thought an action against the POTUS would do it more good than harm, like Greer's actions at the end of season 3. 

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Elli, you said: 

...it seems to miss the point of what Finch and Reese started out doing. The solitary crusade to redeem past mistakes, to try to salvage something from the wreckage of their lives - nah. It's just an amusing puzzle to Logan, a fun ride for Harper Rose. And I'm not sure what Joey gets out of it...

But remember that the Machine has a way of ennobling people. Root. Even Fusco, by extension. And I think they were all ennobled from spending a few days under the protection of John and Finch. 
 
It is entirely possible that John found peace already. His years working with Harold, saving souls, has been redemptive for him.

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First impression:  Excellent episode, especially following last week's pain.
 
Now we know why the Machine refers to John, Shaw, and Fusco as  its "Primary Assets":  TM gotta JV!
 
I didn't like the idea of POTUS as a 'number' until the explanation at the end. I can see that as a snide little shot by Gabriel/Samaritan/Greer at the 'feeble human government'
 
 It always bothered me to think about so many numbers with great potential going unused, really glad to see the writers planned a way to make use of them.
 
One question, though - since Harold was taking a roadie, and the Gun Crew was in DC saving America ... who was feeding/walking/playing-with Bear during this ep?

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