Palmer Report: Person of Interest jumps the shark in season three

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Palmer Report: Person of Interest jumps the shark in season three

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/person-interest-jumps-shark-season-three-can-land-feet/15319/

Person of Interest, the television series in which a computer whiz and a tough guy team up to prevent murders that a computerized algorithm tells them are about to happen, began to lose its way in the second half of season two and the first part of season three for the same reason many shows grow stale before their time: the introduction of new supporting characters that don’t gel as the plotlines drift away from what made the show work in the first place. But rather than get back to doing what it was good at, Person of Interest decided to right the ship by blowing it up entirely. At the end of one of its best and most cinematic episodes, the show kills off its third most important character for no good reason. That alone was enough to be the moment at which the show jumped the shark. But in subsequent episodes the intentional train-wrecking has arguably gotten worse.

Re: Carter's death and the teasing that it would be Fusco:

The bait and switch ended up feeling like a cheap stunt, ranking right up there with the time South Park promised to reveal Cartman’s father but then aired an entire episode of Terrance and Phillip instead. Such moves, where the joke is on the viewers and they feel cheated, rarely help matters.

The wwhole article is definitely worth the read. Even if you think he's wrong, he raises some very valid points.

 

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I found it an interesting read.  We've talked on this forum about how promoting Fusco's 'death' was a cheap tactic; it's nice to have someone else say it.  And yes, Carter's death has clearly delineated a significant change in the show's direction, so Palmer is certainly not wrong about that.

Suddenly there’s a retroactive backstory about how Harold Finch really created the machine to help his ailing father, or he stole the idea from his college classmate who is now a terminally ill character on the show, and there’s another competing machine out there, or there isn’t. No one is helping anyone anymore, no crimes are being prevented, and it’s all about a group of people on the run from something or other

Season one is still my favorite because I enjoyed the guest characters as they interacted with the full-time cast.  Palmer isn't the only one who watched for people being helped and crimes being prevented.

Has Person of Interest jumped the shark irrevocably, or can it find a way to make these new randomly chaotic plotlines into something worth watching? In any case it feels like the opportunity for the show to get back to what it was originally good at is simply gone – so much so that you have to wonder if there will be a season four.

There will be a season four.  It's already been renewed, and so far the ratings haven't taken a significant enough hit to justify cancellation.  (Especially if they're aiming to get enough episodes to go into syndication. Though I do wonder: will CBS get any of that revenue, or will it all go to WB?  That might make a difference as well.)
But that question of will the new plotlines form something worth watching is what I'm still waiting to figure out, since we're clearly not going back to what the show used to be.

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There will be a season four.  It's already been renewed, and so far the ratings haven't taken a significant enough hit to justify cancellation.  (Especially if they're aiming to get enough episodes to go into syndication. Though I do wonder: will CBS get any of that revenue, or will it all go to WB?  That might make a difference as well.)

 
Person of Interest has *not* been renewed for a fourth season by CBS. However, it is pretty much guaranteed that it will be renewed, and the announcement should occur within the next month or two. At this point, it is just a formality.The ratings, most importantly, the 18-49 demo is down significantly from Season 2, but allowances will be made for the date and time change.
 
Most importantly, WGN purchased POI syndication rights, so Warner Bros. will do all in its power to bargain with CBS to keep POI on air as long as it is profitable for both parties - or profitable enough. CBS, to my knowledge, will not receive any syndication revenue. Warner Bros. would cut the licensing fee to air the shows on CBS in exchange for renewal beyond a certain season. WB, in the case, may drop the production budget to keep the show profitable.
 
If ratings dropped below what CBS finds acceptable, it could ship POI to Sunday or Friday night.

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Ah.  I was probably conflating the syndication rights sale with a show renewal... although that would almost certainly follow, you're right.
 
CBS and Warner haven't had the smoothest relationship, especially over PoI, but I think it would take something big to make CBS cancel the show at this point, when it still appears viable enough, per the ratings.
 
(They have my lost live viewership, for whatever that's worth. I can't make myself stay up late for it when it's not the same show I started watching.)

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Sandy, I agree with you.  IMO, there will be a season 4 and at least a season 5.  Ratings are not as important for Person of Interest so long as CBS keeps it on Tuesday nights at 9/10 where it is currently the most successful show it has had in that time slot since Judging Amy or moves it to Friday or Sunday when Blue Bloods or The Good Wife or The Mentalist are cancelled.  They may even move it to Monday night at 9/10 if Intelligence bombs in that time slot.
All of this is purely speculation on my part as I don't work for CBS(LOL) but I see Person of Interest lasting at least seven seasons despite Carter's death and major story direction changes.  

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Jumping the shark is when a show runs out of ideas not when they do cheap stunts.

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The are many problems with how the show handled the HR story arch.  They either let it drag out too long, or they didn't give themselves enough time to wrap it up to be coherent. 
However, I don`t see Carter`s death  or even the "Careese" moment as cheap tricks. The problem with this season is that it feels rushed, but "Jumping the Shark"? Hardly.
Carter dying made sense once we started moving towards the main arch of the Season concerning TM. Carter`s character would never make it on what looks like an upcoming war.  We saw that her character was at war with herself in Season Two about helping The Team and still being a law abiding cop. HR was the antithesis to everything that Carter stood for. IMHO bringing down HR was also a way for Carter to regain herself. She died a good honorable cop.

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Carter dying made sense once we started moving towards the main arch of the Season concerning TM.

I've made no secret that I felt Carter's death and particularly all the dialog that led up to it was OC and off-canon. But I also feel her death was an unnecessary pain to inflict on her fans.
 
Even if the writers had carefully crafted a more serious love-like relationship between the two over the prior seasons and had omitted all the contradictory dialog that made it off-canon to me, I still don't see any really good plot reason to have Carter die...other than for publicity, ratings, and the expected uproar of the fans.
 
Giving Carter a promotion to the FBI and sending her off to DC would have given TPH the very same opportunity to leave the series without triggering all those rages and racial accusations. That exit would left the door open for her to come back for guest shots in the future, her career schedule permitting.  Now the best her fans can hope for is an occassional flashback.
 
As for Jumping the Shark, in today's lexicon it's called "a reboot" and is fast becoming a standard method to "refresh" a show. Kill off popular characters, add new ones, and hope angst and furious publicity will keep the series alive.
 
Cheap. Risky. And unnecessary if you have quality writers, an interesting premise, and good actors.
 
IMHO of course.
 
Person of Interest is mentioned on page 2 of this article about reboots:
http://www.northjersey.com/arts_entertainment/television/239795171_It_s_the_season_of_the_reboot_on_network_television_--_and__The_Good_Wife__is_a_good_example_of_what_can_go_wrong.html

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I never meant any offense. Please know that. sad
Even though it has handled poorly I saw Carter`s death as part of the evolution to the story itself. Her death for me has become the catalyst for the changes/evolution that we are now seeing in the plot and character dynamic. I realize that I am in very tight minorty here, but I am looking foreward to where all this is going to lead.
 

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I agree that while Carter's death was handled poorly, I'm also looking forward to where the stories are going now. 

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